. on the other hand, george bush 43 had his best moment, i always thought, at ground zero when he put his arm around that fireman that day and said, "i can hear you, and they're going to be hearing you in other parts of the world." that was enormous symbolism for the country, reassuring, in command. and at the same time, it said we're going to act here. and governor christie is a jersey guy, through and through. and what we're seeing in the last 24 hours with him, i think, is what i've seen with him over the last couple of years, wherever he's appeared. i didn't think he had the greatest keynote in the world, but the fact is that he is what he is. when he began to raise hell with the mayor of atlantic city for not following his orders, saying i don't give a damn about the election, i think people respond to that, democrat or republican. >> because it's real. president bush, you mentioned that moment as well as the first pitch soon after -- >> at the world series, incredible. >> incredibly symbolic and brave on a number of levels. he probably shouldn't have done it, but he did it. >> these kin